I am sorry, Mongbat, your previous posts were usually made with reason, but here you are missing point a lot.
Mongbat wrote:Tournaments the only true strength test of the hero? It depends on how you look at it. Some of us will feel that winner of F.A.Cup is the rightful champion, while some feel the Premier League champion (ranking leader) display a period of superb consistency who should be the strongest.
Tournaments are also cooked up by the multiple aliases of all the players. I once joined a level60-69 category and won it, and I saw from all the other categories where there should have been 4-5pairs (8-10 heroes) participating, many "drop out" leaving just a single fight remaining...manipulation? How are tournaments accurate then?
I did not say that tournaments are the only
true strength test of the hero, you just slightly changed my sentence and argued against it, which is kind of manipulation, you can find in many discussions. Also despite I am not expert, I believe that both F.A. Cup and Premier League are closed systems where rules are determining who plays against who and not participants themselves will freely challenge anybody on their own will. (Like if team from top league would challenge some local village team which is not in any league and top team gets points for victory counted in top league. Plus they will do it repeatedly and play against same team 10 times in a row.) And if that is case that both F.A. Cup and Premier League are closed systems (which I am not sure, but I believe it), then your argument against tournament as tool for measuring strength is completely invalid and you are arguing against something which "you constructed", not which "I wrote" in my post. (ad manipulating statement and arguing against manipulated statement)
I also stated clearly in my post that even on tournament could be attempted manipulation, but it is much more difficult and much less probable than in open system of current rating. Furthermore those drop outs you described are typically unexperienced players who either lost or got "bye" (free round) in previous round and they thought that tournament is over for them, so they logout from game. Little they know that especially when there are fewer participants they could be still 2nd even if they lose in 1st round. Plus like I already mentioned before, in tournament possible cheater have to at some point fight with some other player, unless all of participants in selected bracket are accounts of one player. In current ranking system, ranking leader could be anybody who creates several accounts and fights just with himself ad absurdum without having even single duel with anybody else.
Mongbat wrote:As an example, if you look at kokokitty's rogue hero on the ladder, this shows consistency and beaten opponents way above same level. And you look at Rey Edeus lvl10 knight, he is an alias of some veteran player feeling bored to win ranking, winning a single fight against a high level 80 elf archer SerasVictoria with all skills fully trained. Rey Edeus gets a 228 ranking points awarded.
This is again describing disadvantages of open system, which is easy to manipulate, but I was proposing closed system for ranking and evaluating strength. I answered this theme both in my previous post and in my answer above in this post.
Mongbat wrote:You seem to imply that with these "top" level 90 users feeling bored, they are using the time to create aliases to screw things up, cheat up the system. Then unfortunately, it is just shame on them. There won't be any fresh blood for them in their range. New players will leave the game even before they reach level30.
Definitely not, it is you who is implying this. I was mentioning, that high level players are often feeling bored and not so few of them are leaving this game because of it, not that they are starting new account with fresh hero.
No offense, but if you want to have cultivated discussion, please make arguments according to what was mentioned, not what you take out of context, change it slightly and then argument against changed statment.
I want to make it clear once more, my previous post was all about replacing current open ranking system with closed league system
and that closed system would be much more resilient against cheating attempts. If you want to make arguments against my suggestion, please do it to theme. Also please notice that I mention current ranking as example of open system and current tournaments as example of closed system.
PS: I would like to also mention that I wanted to make my post clear and informative, I wanted to add to discussion by making constructive suggestion. I do not intend to offense anybody, there is just reasonable expectation that if somebody tries to "put his own words into my mouth", I will point out such attemt to manipulation and clean out my argument out of "dirt thrown out at it by others". Everybody is welcome to have constructive discussion to the theme.